Greetings from Gralus

[andreasthewise]

My dearest greetings to Nathan (once again) of Natopia, citizens of Athlon, and to Natopia in general.

Sorry for the delay, I meant to be here the day the forum came out but being on holiday meant I didn't have the link to my micronational email I use for forums that was bookmarked, and then the computer with it in favourites crashed and ....
Anyway, I'm here now, and that's the important thing.

With regard to your comments when leaving Gralus, Nathan, I'm here to propose the formulation of a new treaty, far closer than the recognition one we had earlier. Also, I feel it would be prudent in this to joyfully return to Natopian control all those units of space equipment which, with your permission, we annexed in your absence.

Looking forward to working with Natopia as a soverign nation,
Andreas the Wise

[Nathan]

Welcome Andreas!

As far as the the treaty was concerned, I was thinking of nothing less than a treaty of alliance The reason I joined Gralus, as I said, was because it was one of the few entities that does not annoy me... and I hope an alliance between Gralus and Natopia will become a force to be reckoned with in Micras. *evil grin*

And thank you for the return of our spacefleet, I had nearly forgot about it, hehe

[mziff]

welcome =P

[andreasthewise]

Nathan, a solid alliance was exactly what I had in mind. A force to be reckoned with indeed! (and maybe we can bring some of our Shirithian friends along ... now THAT would be scary ...)
I recall you having a standard one before - do you want to use that, or us to get our standard out - they're probably similiar ...

[Nathan]

Oh my... SPEAR all over again (minus antica and attera plus gralus tho)! I like it

Our standard is a bit bare bones:

Treaty of Alliance
between
The Sovereign Natopian Empire
and
_______

Having previously affirmed recognition and friendship, the Signing Parties hereby enter into a state of alliance.

Officially sancationed diplomatic envoys from each Signing Party shall be extended diplomatic immunity from crimes classified as lesser, or a misdemeanor.

There will be no overt or covert hostilies between the Signing Parties. Each Party must contact with other with any information relevant to the safety, imminant or otherwise, of the other Party.

Should a conflict arise between a Signing Party and a third party, the other Signing Party pledges unwavering support to the former.

[andreasthewise]

I was thinking something with a bit more military help ... wait, now I reread the last paragraph, that's sorta what it means ...
Could we change it to this: "BELIEVING that should one nation be attacked, or any brother of our nations be unduly persecuted, both nations agree that an armed attack or threat against one of them shall be considered an attack or threat against both, except where this conflicts with a previous treaty of either party." which is our standard. Of course I hope we shouldn't need to use the last clause, but it's a last safety net, in case, say, both our leaders change and there's some terrible incident in international diplomacy we can't forsee and we end up fighting ...
So we almost certainly won't use it
The only thing I can see in our standard treaty that isn't in this (assuming basic recognition stuff were in our last treaty) is trade ... which can be done anyway.

If you want to check our treaty instead (since I'm not sure if the previous Nova-Nat treaty is standing with you restarting and we joining the federation)
www.novatainia.org/gralan/forum/viewtopic.php?t=115
But basically both are the same, worded differently ...

EDIT: SPEAR's nothing to do with the one Yvain mentioned in the Scavenger hunt, is it?

[Nathan]

How about we use your standard treaty, since it just looks nicer, lol, but add on the military bit you just said.

And I don't know if Natopia will operate an economy this time around... we never could make it work...


Oh, SPEAR, Skiron Pact for Economic and Armed Reinforcement, was an alliance organization between Natopia, Shireroth, Antica and Attera that was created as a counterbalance to the Grand Commonwealth. Needless to say, it tanked due to a minor (read: major) diplomatic crisis and ended up going public without Shireroth's membership and eventually collapsed without its leadership.

[andreasthewise]

Ouch ... Ok, our standard with military:

TREATY OF NATOPIA

AFFIRMING the spirit of friendship and cooperation on which relations between the two nations are based, and wishing to place their relations on an closer and more solid foundation;

AFFIRMING that both nations formally recognise and respect each other as independent and sovereign nations, including each other's sovereign territories: websites, message boards and other real or virtual property under direct or indirect control of their respective governments, as proclaimed by them and as long as respecting others micronations' sovereignty under international law and Intermicronational convention, and refuting claims of annexation by any party;

ACKNOWLEDGING the importance to each nation of the relationship and the close connection between them;

RESOLVED to evaluate and pursue opportunities for their governments and their peoples to work closer together in a spirit of understanding on matters of mutual interest;

CONVINCED of the importance of creating, developing and maintaining relations on an equitable and mutually advantageous basis in a long-term perspective;

RECOGNISING that cooperation between the two nations should have their common interest in the prosperity and welfare of both nations;

RECOGNISING full diplomatic immunity of the Triumvirate of Gralus, and their Minister for Foreign Affairs, Luna; and full diplomatic immunity of Nathan of Natopia, and his Minister of Foreign Affairs _______ or other appointed delegate;

AFFIRMING that each contracting party has the right to appoint an ambassador to the other contracting party, where each contracting party is allowed to demand immediate removal of the ambassador at any time since arrival and without notice;

OPENING up trading between their nations in mutually beneficial ways to encourage business growth and the sharing of resources;

BELIEVING that should one nation be attacked, or any brother of our nations be unduly persecuted, both nations agree that an armed attack or threat against one of them shall be considered an attack or threat against both, except where this conflicts with a previous treaty of either party.

UNDERSTANDING that both nations should share intelligence on any threats to each others sovereignty as soon as it be known;

HAVE RESOLVED to conclude this treaty and for that purpose sign to indicate acceptance as follows:


CONFEDERATION OF GRALUS



Signed:





_____________________

_____________
____________

Signed:

Obviously I have to get this approved by the Triumvirate, as you know, but that shouldn't take long ... We can drop a clause if you don't like it, but most of them don't mean a great deal, just look good in the treaty (like the trading one - we've never actually acted on it )
SPEAR sounds interesting, but yeah, without Shireroth I can see you'd have some troubles ... unfortunately there is no clear GC to fight anymore ....

[andreasthewise]

Oh, and

ANNEXATION OF OLD NATOPIA
Asserting that Natopia is once again alive, and Athlon, it's principal successor Kingdom, has left the Confederation of Gralus and rejoined it, and considering the close bond of friendship that remains between the two, they resolve the following:

All installations and vessels of the Old Natopian Spacefleet will be returned to them from the Confederation of Gralus.

The Natopian International Space Station remains open to all nations of Micras; except in times of war it may be closed to nations belligerent to Natopia.

The base on the moon will belong to Natopia and remain known as New Lindstrom.

This treaty also recognises that Gralus also forgoes it's claim to any other part of equipment from the Old Natopian Spacefleet and returns them to Natopia.

Signed:
...Nathan...

Signed:
..., ... of the Confederation of Gralus

Just need to check who signs ...

[Nathan]

Both look perfect

[andreasthewise]

Yay, just need Triumvirate approval (which might be delayed as the forums are down ...)

[andreasthewise]

I have approval via other means from Lachlan and Bayen (site still down) so consider it signed ...
They'll be along with signatures later ....

[Nathan]

Good deal. I'll officially affix my signature to both now then:

HSM Nathan the Only,
Sovereign Natopian Emperor

[andreasthewise]

Wonderful!
If you're interested, since you have a military training program and all, our Minister for Defence (North) could arrange some sort of friendly match, so you have a couple more people to fight with ... only if it interests you. I'll leave any more on the matter to him.

[Nathan]

ill pass that along to our defense minister