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Post by Nathan on Apr 7, 2010 15:26:45 GMT -6
The Emperor, myself, Jeremy and Matt are all members of the Supreme Council and are thus able to draft the new constitution. I would, as the Emperor mentioned in his statement, like to see a new and refreshing form of government in Natopia. Natopia is defined by change, after all. How do my fellow Councilors feel about very informal canvassing of the wider Micras community about government suggestions? It may entice people to even join if they know they can get in on the ground floor of a new government. One main question, regardless of the above, is how much integration do we want between church and state? Before, when I was emperor and pentheros, it was easy to create a theocratic environment. However with the offices now separate it could possibly create power conflict, popes are always out for more than they can have as history proves  |
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Post by mziff on Apr 9, 2010 10:25:01 GMT -6
I think that is a good idea. As for church/state, that should be one of our questions, but I am leaning towards an integrated church/state.
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Post by Emperor Konrad on Apr 10, 2010 1:26:42 GMT -6
What forums are currently popular in the sector?
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Post by mziff on Apr 11, 2010 10:29:41 GMT -6
no idea...
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Post by Nathan on Apr 13, 2010 14:19:59 GMT -6
just a random idea... but with the integrated church/state thing, we could set up a system where the two are competing with each other, some ambiguous or overlapping powers that create conflict within the nation....
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Post by Nathan on Apr 13, 2010 16:23:17 GMT -6
k bear with me here... The Emperor remains the leader of the Empire, figurehead, power of emergency decree in situations... however we create a climate of competition among the demesnes, which align and fight each other in a rather fluid political system.
Primarily we would have the Pentheral States and the Imperial Demesnes, aligned with the church or the state. An ambitious citizen can amass followers to become a third party if they want to. Each demesne in the "possession" of an alliance gives that alliance a point or vote or whatever. the alliance with most points is the effective "ruler" of the nation, due to having the most virtual followers. this would also do away with the Natopian tradition of having "personal demesnes" as every demesne is fair game to be stolen away.... even if enough posts by a rival faction are made in Athlon, i could lose it. however, people may get content and only post in the demesnes they want and this could stifle interaction. however, im envisioning an environment of healthy culture building competition. the various faction leaders can sign agreements where they wont attempt to interfere in the other factions' "home" territories, or that post dont count toward possession unless some special criteria are met so posts like "hey how are u doing over here, this is pretty cool, i like it maybe try this, but oh im not trying to increase my post count coz we have an agreement that i wont try to steal this place" of course this is all in effect until one party breaks it... and then we have an excuse for a judiciary!!
possession of a demesne would be calculated as whichever faction has the most posts in that demesne at the end of a cycle of time. at the end of that cycle the winning faction would rule for a period of time until the next cycle and possession of demesnes are recalculated. perhaps the Emperor, which still his own faction, can be shown preference by being allowed to count "quality" posts in each demesne. there will have to be some legislation enacted, or better yet, rules enshrined in the constitution about what posts will count toward possession and who will count and how that person will be held to a degree of neutrality.
the leader of a faction will have as many votes in the Frenzy as the number of demesnes they own. the leader of the faction can appoint delegates to send to the Frenzy... the delegates are aligned to their faction, but can vote anyway they want to (but of course voting against ur faction leader will jeopardize being appointed again in the next cycle). each delegate can have several votes (to solve the problem of us not having 12 citizens for each demesne vote). therefore if the Pentheral States own 7 demesnes, the Pentheros, as leader of the faction, can appoint 7 delegates, each with one vote. OR 1 delegate with 7 votes (appoint himself) or 2 delegates with 3 votes each, and a third delegate with one vote, etc.
the Frenzy could then elect a Grand Chancellor (basically leader of the winning faction) who can then push their own agenda thru the Frenzy.
In this climate of instability, the various Ministries might be better to be kept independent of this system, appointed by the Emperor to ensure internal and external continuity.
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Post by mziff on Apr 15, 2010 6:42:11 GMT -6
hahaha i love it!
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Post by Nathan on Apr 18, 2010 19:09:34 GMT -6
We have 12 demesnes. I'd suggest we bring back an old one to make it odd and 13. Maybe split Klaasiya up and reform New Dracoheim.
Also, if everyone likes this, I can make a draft of the constitution.
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Post by mziff on Apr 18, 2010 22:34:12 GMT -6
i like it. if you need any help let me know!
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Post by Nathan on Apr 19, 2010 21:40:20 GMT -6
Constitution of the Bovic Empire of Natopia
Preamble - blah blah
Article 1 - The Emperor
1. The Bovic Emperor of Natopia shall be the head of state and executive of the Bovic Empire of Natopia.
2. The Emperor will have the power to create any number of Ministries for administration of the Empire and appoint or remove Ministers at their pleasure.
3. The power of the Imperial Decree shall remain with the Emperor. It will be legally binding throughout the Empire.
4. Imperial succession shall be passed by inheritance from the current Emperor to their appointed Heir.
5. The Emperor may gather personal advisers into a Supreme Council to advise and suggest on matters of national importance.
Article 2 - The Demesnes
1. The demesnes are the constituent parts of the Empire. All demesnes are equal in status.
2. The recognized demesnes of Natopia are: Ziegeland, Hazelwood, Tasneemia, Muckypuckyland, Ferien & Ptia, East Tapfer, Klaasiya, New Dracoheim, Lochhatonia, Natollonia, Opaeghia, Athlon, and South Mehlville.
3. Any citizen of the Empire may become baron of any demesne by displaying their clear and unchallenged control of that demesne. There is no limit to the number of demesnes a citizen is baron of. Control will be determined by a citizen's ability to maintain high activity and cultural vibrancy within that demesne. The Emperor will determine satisfaction of these criteria as objectively as possible with the full confidence of the Nation.
4. At the first of each month, if a baron is found to have lost control of their demesne, then they officially vacate the land and the Emperor will determine the next controlling baron based on criteria in section 3 of this article. If the baron has not made significant cultural development or activity in the preceding month, they will be determined to have lost control of the demesne.
5. A demesne may remain without a baron if none present a strong claim to control.
Article 3 - The Frenzy
1. Each demesne has the right to send one delegate to the Frenzy. The baron will have the sole right to appoint the delegate from their demesne.
2. The delegates will elect from among themselves a Chancellor to preside over debate. The Chancellor shall preside for as long as they have the confidence of the delegates of the Frenzy.
3. The Frenzy possesses supreme legislative authority in the Empire. Laws passed by the Frenzy supersede Imperial Decree and any demesnial law.
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write more later
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Post by mziff on Apr 20, 2010 7:43:50 GMT -6
sounds good so far, but can you clarify on article 2 point 4, is that pretty much like if you dont post in your country saying something every month youre kicked out? haha thats what im getting from it
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Post by Nathan on Apr 20, 2010 7:53:29 GMT -6
Essentially yes. You are just removed as baron from that demesne. This system is nothing more an elaborate scam to increase our post count haha |
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Post by mziff on Apr 21, 2010 8:20:41 GMT -6
Ok. Sounds good. We should add a part to somehow promote tourism......
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Post by Nathan on Apr 21, 2010 13:14:13 GMT -6
We could allow foreigners to come in and take control of demesnes? lol
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Post by Emperor Konrad on Apr 21, 2010 17:12:09 GMT -6
humm, interesting. It could help us increase participation and get around tri cit laws.
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